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Re: King Tut R1b?
This is too far-fetched if overinterpreted, but consider the division of two types of peoples based on building elements since ancient: stone builders and wooden builders.
Scandinavian church (replica), in the style of early christianisation in the Viking Age
A classical style of Russian church
A timeless Asian temple, in Japan
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Re: King Tut R1b?
I've always would have liked to hear more of the possible historic story of civilization as we know it starting from West and the moving East which is a massive contridiction from the standard that we are told.The Megalithic Passage Tomb at Newgrange was built about 3200 BC while on the other hand the earliest known Egyptian pyramids are found at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. The earliest among these is the Pyramid of Djoser (constructed 2630 BCE–2611 BCE) which was built during the third dynasty,which in itself certainly brings up a conundrum not to mention that Stonehenge wasn't built until some time up to 3100 BC which would still support the claim that civilization moved from West to East and there is quite a lot more monuments in between who's dates along Europe to Egypt along the same time frame that can still support this theory more so.Well I certainly think it's clear that the Egyptians that did build the pyamids certainly wouldn't resemble the current Egyptians we see.
Re: King Tut R1b?
Scientists today believe that R1b originated in the East though.Originally Posted by Connor
Having children is traditionally thought to be a conservative thing to do, but I think it is now a radical thing to do. When you decide to have children, you step outside the dominant culture; it is a snub to the culture of over-work, endless consumption and the pursuit of individual self-fulfillment. Having children throws us out of the rational world and counts us among the rash, the risk-takers and the dreamers.
~ Deirdre Macken
Re: King Tut R1b?
Theories about the origins of haplogroups change all of the time. This is from a recent paper (May 2010) suggesting a mixed Neolithic and Paleolithic origin rather than only Neolithic Anatolian:
Increased Resolution Within Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R1b M269 Sheds Light On The Neolithic Transition In Europe
George Busby et al.
[...]In order to address this we have investigated the sub-lineages of the common European haplogroup R1b- M269. This haplogroup has been shown to be clinal in Europe, and more recently has been posited to be the result of the Neolithic expansion from the Near East. Here, we use newly characterised SNPs downstream of M269 to produce a refined picture of the haplogroup in Europe, and further show that the diversity of this lineage cannot be entirely attributed to Neolithic migration out of Anatolia. We use simple coalescent simulations to estimate an absolute lower bound for the age of the sub-haplogoups. Rather than originating with the farmers from the East, we suggest that the sub-structure of R1b-M269 visible in Europe today, and thus the great majority of European paternal ancestry, is the result of the interaction between the Neolithic wave of expansion and populations of early Europeans already present in the path of the wave.
Haploid DNA Markers in Forensic Genetics (pdf pg. 29)
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Re: King Tut R1b?
On another forum I was arguing for the likelihood that this branch of R1b originated in Western Europe... pity I didn't have this paper to support my argument at the time!It makes most sense to me though (a Western origin), considering modern day distributions of the haplogroup.
Having children is traditionally thought to be a conservative thing to do, but I think it is now a radical thing to do. When you decide to have children, you step outside the dominant culture; it is a snub to the culture of over-work, endless consumption and the pursuit of individual self-fulfillment. Having children throws us out of the rational world and counts us among the rash, the risk-takers and the dreamers.
~ Deirdre Macken
Re: King Tut R1b?
Yes, but the M269 clade and the specific sub-clade R1b1b2a1 (ht15) which are being interpreted from the video are considered the Atlantic modal type - this is what makes the findings fascinating if true as it's not known in other parts of the world.
Thank you - I was not aware of this.Originally Posted by Iberian
Theories about the origins of haplogroups change all of the time. This is from a recent paper (May 2010) suggesting a mixed Neolithic and Paleolithic origin rather than only Neolithic Anatolian:
Increased Resolution Within Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R1b M269 Sheds Light On The Neolithic Transition In Europe
George Busby et al.
[...]In order to address this we have investigated the sub-lineages of the common European haplogroup R1b- M269. This haplogroup has been shown to be clinal in Europe, and more recently has been posited to be the result of the Neolithic expansion from the Near East. Here, we use newly characterised SNPs downstream of M269 to produce a refined picture of the haplogroup in Europe, and further show that the diversity of this lineage cannot be entirely attributed to Neolithic migration out of Anatolia. We use simple coalescent simulations to estimate an absolute lower bound for the age of the sub-haplogoups. Rather than originating with the farmers from the East, we suggest that the sub-structure of R1b-M269 visible in Europe today, and thus the great majority of European paternal ancestry, is the result of the interaction between the Neolithic wave of expansion and populations of early Europeans already present in the path of the wave.
Haploid DNA Markers in Forensic Genetics (pdf pg. 29)
The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil
- Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922)
The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth.
For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish.
- Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596).
The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation.
- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature
Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation.
- Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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More possible proof backing up civilization moving West to East theory?
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/08/scien...-in-the-world/
Scientists confirm pyramids in Bosnia are oldest known pyramids in the world
Bosnian pyramids have been finally confirmed. Pyramid experts from all over the world have confirmed the existence of the Bosnian pyramids. In addition, 90% of all these experts said that the the Bosnian pyramids are by far the world’s largest and oldest pyramids. There are five (5) pyramids in Bosnia and it is said that they are 12000-26000 years old. In 2010 UNESCO added the Bosnian pyramids into their World Heritage sites. UNESCO and the CIA are planning to make the Bosnian Pyramid Valley the world’s largest and most valuable historical monuments by 2012.
The Bosnian Pyramid Vally consists of the five following pyramids:
-Pyramid of Sun (world’s oldest and largest pyramid)
-Pyramid of Moon (world’s second oldest and largest pyramid)
-Pyramid of Love
-Pyramid of Earth
-Pyramid of Boson
Re: King Tut R1b?
I wonder if it's just me that the words "Bosnian" and "pyramids" together in the same context ring a bell of alarm.
It is a hoax, of course:
http://circulartimes.org/Bosnia%20Me...e%20Dowell.htm
http://www.sarajevo.net/content/273-Bosnian-Pyramids
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