Do you think the Rev Ian Paisley is Irish ?

[bobi]

Do you think the Rev Ian Paisley is Irish, or some other nationality, what is your opinion of him, he seems to be very loud and always shouting.

Do you think he is like the Martin Luther of old.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

He is an anti-Irish, anti-Catholic scumball.

On the other hand, he's into looking after his own. Paisley is a man with some redeeming features, outnumbered by a whole host of flaws.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

So is George Bush, sometimes - but he's still a scumball :D

[bobi]

TED/ITP

I bet the minister responsible for promoting Irish tourism has a heart attack when he sees pictures of him speaking on the Tv.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

A ball of scum :lol:

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

Good I suppose, but you can bounce a ball off the walls :lol:

[Milesian]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind bouncing him off some walls :D

He's definately an old Blood and Thunder merchant.
He's a total bigot and hates the Irish, Catholics and don't even start him on Irish Catholics.
In saying that most of the Loyalists dislike him as well as they find him an embarrasment. However, some people will admit to a sneaking regard for him in that he is straight-forward and speaks his mind, unlike some of the sneaky new Loyalists. What you see is what you get, I suppose. :roll:

And he certainly does us a favour by making all Loyalists look very bad indeed :twisted:

[An tÓglach]

In saying that most of the Loyalists dislike him as well as they find him an embarrasment.

I would completely disagree with that, given the DUP is the largest Unionist party in Northern Ireland now! Not to mention the failure of the PUP and the collapse of the UDP in favour of the DUP.

Plus the support of the UDA and UVF for Paisley in the past as well (not to mention his quasi paramilitary rumblings in Ulster Resistance etc.).

[Milesian]

You may have a point there.
Perhaps I should have worded it most of the other Loyalist "groups" dislike him and find him and embarrasment.

I based that opinion to a fair degree on an interview I witnessed by some leading Loyalist politicians in which they organised a meeting. Paisley walked straight in and arrogantly sat at the head of the table.
Some of the others then bodily lifted him while he was still sitting on the chair and moved him round the table :lol:




In saying that most of the Loyalists dislike him as well as they find him an embarrasment.

I would completely disagree with that, given the DUP is the largest Unionist party in Northern Ireland now! Not to mention the failure of the PUP and the collapse of the UDP in favour of the DUP.

Plus the support of the UDA and UVF for Paisley in the past as well (not to mention his quasi paramilitary rumblings in Ulster Resistance etc.).

[An tÓglach]

I based that opinion to a fair degree on an interview I witnessed by some leading Loyalist politicians in which they organised a meeting. Paisley walked straight in and arrogantly sat at the head of the table.
Some of the others then bodily lifted him while he was still sitting on the chair and moved him round the table

That was the Ulster Workers strike in the 70's (to bring down Sunningdale) I believe. It was Glen Barr, a former UDA leader who mentioned that (if memory serves me correctly). He's now involved with a lot of cross community work (Barr is).

I also saw (probably on the same docco) various ex members of the UVF and UDA talking about how they felt Paisley had led them into the paramilitary groups by what he was saying but when it came down to it, they suffered for something someone else had been railing against. I felt sorry for them as they were only teenagers when they joined the paramilitaries.

[Milesian]

Although it's difficult for me to muster any feelings of sympathy for these people, I suppose objectively looking at it, they have been raised their entire life to hate Irish Catholics, at home, at school and at church.

I remember reading about IRA informer, Eamon Collins (now deceased), who spoke of how he went to Protestant Churches and they looked more like military museums than houses of God.
Used to Catholic Churches where the outside world was left at the front door, these churches presented an alien concept to him in that they were be-decked with flags, banners and military regalia depicting the victories their fore-fathers won over the native Irish. Then they listen to how the Catholic Church is the work of the Devil for an hour, and then return to the same prejudice back home.

I suppose it's little wonder they are brainwshed

[An tÓglach]

Although it's difficult for me to muster any feelings of sympathy for these people, I suppose objectively looking at it, they have been raised their entire life to hate Irish Catholics, at home, at school and at church.

I remember reading about IRA informer, Eamon Collins (now deceased), who spoke of how he went to Protestant Churches and they looked more like military museums than houses of God.
Used to Catholic Churches where the outside world was left at the front door, these churches presented an alien concept to him in that they were be-decked with flags, banners and military regalia depicting the victories their fore-fathers won over the native Irish. Then they listen to how the Catholic Church is the work of the Devil for an hour, and then return to the same prejudice back home.

I suppose it's little wonder they are brainwshed

If that is how it was for a lot of them, who can blame them for the way they are really. This type of thing only reinforces my own personal view that Christianity is dangerous and evil.

[Milesian]

Well, there is nothing Christian in being brought up like that.
Once again, it is people who claim to be Christian acting in non-Christian ways which gives Christianity in general a bad name.

Could be worse though......we could be sacrificing our first-born to the idol of Crom Cruach if we were still pagans. That would hardly help our already dismall birth rates :wink:

The decline of western civilisation really began in earnest with the French Revolution and the spread of it's ideas - Liberalism, Secularism, Materialism, Anti-Clericalism.
From those, the logical consequences were Socialism and Communism.
Remembering the old phrase - "When people stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing....they believe in everything!", we find that agnosticism and athiesm has opened up a spiritual vacuum which today's youth try to fill with paganism, occultism, New Age Wicca, Crystal Healing, or even just a celbrity to idolise. It's quite sad to see how spiritually bankrupt we have become.
And of course, without an authoritative moral code (as Christianity supplied) we then find people relying solely on their conscience to base their moral conduct on (which is bad news a most people are adept at turning it off), then people don't see any problems with casual sex, killing unwanted babies, having multiple partners, etc
We then have a society which is falling apart because the most basic part of society - the family unit, is on it's last legs. Rates of unwanted pregnancies, STDs, abortions, drink and drug addiction, crime. mental illness and suicides, etc all spiral out of control.
Before you know it, society is crippled and plummeting down the plug hole.

Al this stems from a rejction of Religious Authority.
I know it sounds far fetched, but think about it honestly and you should see that is exactly what has happened to our civilisation over the last few centuries.

As for Protestantism, for a true Catholic then only Catholicism can truly be considered Christianity. Anything else is heresy. Some people think that simply believeing in Christ makes one a Christian, but that belief has no basis in 2000 years of Christian theology or belief, making an appearance only at the Reformation in order to square being a Christian with not being a member of Christ's Church
I do agree however, that by rejecting the authority of the Church and instead making everyone's own interpretation of religion valid, Martin Luther did strike the first blow for liberalism. And we have paid for it ever since

[An tÓglach]

Could be worse though......we could be sacrificing our first-born to the idol of Crom Cruach if we were still pagans. That would hardly help our already dismall birth rates :wink:

Ya just ruined my Sunday afternoons now ya caught me out! :wink:


Once again, it is people who claim to be Christian acting in non-Christian ways which gives Christianity in general a bad name.

Isn't that pretty much everyone that represents the Christian tradition, in all fairness like? Even my folks who are practicing catholics are far from religious zealots!


The decline of western civilisation really began in earnest with the French Revolution and the spread of it's ideas - Liberalism, Secularism, Materialism, Anti-Clericalism.
From those, the logical consequences were Socialism and Communism.

That is something I would definitely agree with but the aristocracy in France really was taking the piss as well.


Remembering the old phrase - "When people stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing....they believe in everything!", we find that agnosticism and athiesm has opened up a spiritual vacuum which today's youth try to fill with paganism, occultism, New Age Wicca, Crystal Healing, or even just a celbrity to idolise. It's quite sad to see how spiritually bankrupt we have become.

I could also say that they end up believing in non existant deities and an institution but that would be mere folly as we all know that Christianity is in serious decline. I will also say that today's youth are sold weakness in character from day one (it would appear that the greatest sickness of the late 20th and indeed 21st century is mental illness) when they watch hideous Yank TV and buy into commerical materialism and what not.


And of course, without an authoritative moral code (as Christianity supplied) we then find people relying solely on their conscience to base their moral conduct on (which is bad news a most people are adept at turning it off), then people don't see any problems with casual sex, killing unwanted babies, having multiple partners, etc
We then have a society which is falling apart because the most basic part of society - the family unit, is on it's last legs. Rates of unwanted pregnancies, STDs, abortions, drink and drug addiction, crime. mental illness and suicides, etc all spiral out of control.
Before you know it, society is crippled and plummeting down the plug hole.

I agree that there has been nothing to replace authority in the lives of many people but I've led a coloured life so far. I've lived and indulged in quite some decadance and yet I can still see at the end of the day that it was all superficial and that for my children I will have plenty to teach them from my own mistakes and also plenty to encourage them with. I have come out on top I would say from the poison in the world today.


Al this stems from a rejction of Religious Authority.
I know it sounds far fetched, but think about it honestly and you should see that is exactly what has happened to our civilisation over the last few centuries.

I reject religious authority but I am a solid, serious, hard working individual who lives by his own authority and stands defiant against the NWO. Not all causes are lost my friend :wink: , religion or no religion.


As for Protestantism, for a true Catholic then only Catholicism can truly be considered Christianity. Anything else is heresy. Some people think that simply believeing in Christ makes one a Christian, but that belief has no basis in 2000 years of Christian theology or belief, making an appearance only at the Reformation in order to square being a Christian with not being a member of Christ's Church
I do agree however, that by rejecting the authority of the Church and instead making everyone's own interpretation of religion valid, Martin Luther did strike the first blow for liberalism. And we have paid for it ever since

Not to be too blunt but it's all bollocks to me at the end of the day as Christianity is as relevant to me and my life as a snow plough in the Sahara. Protestants/Catholics go into stone buildings to pray, in different ways to something they believe in yet there are never any answers to either of their prayers.

Muslims pray to someone else, Jews pray to someone else, Buddists to that fat lad and so on...I don't think anyone's prayers are being answered, personally. :wink:

Those moving statues in Ballinspittle in the 80's ruled though!