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West
27-08-2006, 01:07 AM
A bit of good news for a change presuming it isn't an election stunt, an attempt to gradually introduce ID cards to all of us under the order or that they turn the whole thing into another one of their trademark fiasco's..

The Government plans to enact new powers to clamp down on illegal immigration before the next general election, requiring non-EU citizens to carry biometric identity cards and allowing gardaí to summarily detain and deport illegal immigrants.

A Department of Justice spokesman confirmed yesterday that the heads of the proposed immigration, residence and protection Bill was a "priority piece of legislation" and would be brought to Cabinet shortly. The Bill will then be drafted.

The Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, intends that the Oireachtas will pass it before the general election, expected in early summer next year.


Fine Gael's justice spokesman Jim O'Keeffe welcomed the proposals yesterday but suggested they had been made public at this time to deflect attention from this week's damaging reports on the prison system. Labour's Brendan Howlin said his party was open to having a debate on the issue of an ID card, but not one for one section of the population that could become "a race or ethnic card".
:rolleyes

According to the forthcoming Bill, the proposed new identity and residency card would contain biometric information such as fingerprints and may be required to gain access to public services. It would make it easier for gardaí to identify quickly people who were in Ireland illegally and to move to deport them.

There is already a card issued by the Garda containing biometric information to non-EU nationals. The Bill will give legal backing to the use of biometric data and will make it compulsory for these cards to be carried at all times

The proposed legislation is also expected to make welfare payments less readily available to asylum seekers. It will also propose the reform of the appeals system for those denied refugee status. It would abolish the Refugee Appeals Tribunal, which has been the subject of sustained criticism over the lack of transparency of its decision-making process..

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/8766297?view=Printer

JSE
27-08-2006, 01:18 AM
A bit of good news for a change presuming it isn't an election stunt, an attempt to gradually introduce ID cards to all of us . . .Why describe this as good news?

West
27-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Why describe this as good news?
I didn't say ID cards where good news..

The Chauvinist
27-08-2006, 01:39 AM
How does this biometric system work? The people with the ID cards will be the ones deported? What?

West
27-08-2006, 02:14 AM
How does this biometric system work? The people with the ID cards will be the ones deported? What?
Yes. It seems that non-EU citizens will have to carry ID cards. Outstay their welcome & they'll get booted out. Good news if it works..

Old Believer
27-08-2006, 04:30 AM
Why describe this as good news?

I don't see the problem with I.D cards... After all most of us carry them already in the form of a driving licence.

JSE
27-08-2006, 11:57 AM
I don't see the problem with I.D cards... After all most of us carry them already in the form of a driving licence.That's your choice though. I don't trust the modern state which is becoming more and more totalitarian with every passing year. Already many of the elements of the police state are in place in the US and UK, thanks to the Goldsteinism of terror. I don't welcome any of these measures as they come here.

Kirllan
27-08-2006, 02:33 PM
I am not terribly worried about it myself. I have already took measures via the Irish Embassy in Washington to apply for legal citizenship. Although the illegal issue should be put in perspective. I hope they come to some soloution that will enforce the illegal issue.

Tigernmas
30-08-2006, 05:48 PM
That's your choice though. I don't trust the modern state which is becoming more and more totalitarian with every passing year. Already many of the elements of the police state are in place in the US and UK, thanks to the Goldsteinism of terror. I don't welcome any of these measures as they come here.

Same. I want to have as little contact as possible with the current system, I don't want them having my fingerprints, DNA my eyeprint or whatever they're after. I mean how would the ID cards actually work? Simply issuing them to all the people who are here legally wont do any good, how will they know who has them and who doesn't unless they line the entire population up and check them one by one. What they'll start doing if/when they bring ID cards in is make us swipe them or present them for inspection every time we get on a bus, every time we fill up with petrol, every time we buy groceries, every time we withdraw money etc. They will be able to know where we are and what we're doing at all times, no government should ever have that power.
If they don't want illegals here then get the army and navy to guard our ports and inspect every lorry coming through. And how the hell do they know that illegals wont be able to buy the ID cards on the black market anyway?

na Gaeil is gile
06-09-2006, 11:31 PM
I don't see the problem with I.D cards... After all most of us carry them already in the form of a driving licence.
I don’t carry a driving licence, nor do I have any intention to do so. Neither do I have a currently valid passport, nor do I have any intention to update it in the near future. In fact I’ve no form of photo ID whatsoever and see no reason why I should be required to carry any - the Irish state is the servant of the people not vice versa.

The only reason why Westminster West - or Dáil Eireann as it likes to style itself - keeps trying to introduce a national ID is that the Brits told them to. As a matter of public record the Brits have stated that their own nation ID program would be rendered unworkable if the Irish Republic did not introduce a similar scheme (I assume due to the fact we share open borders).

The Seamus
07-09-2006, 12:22 AM
How does this biometric system work? The people with the ID cards will be the ones deported? What?

Why bother wiht I.D. cards? Acouple of questiosn and you'll be sure if they belong In Ireland.

"Are you Irish, born and bred?" is all that needs to be asked.