Muslims out.org

[Old Believer]

http://www.muslimsout.org/home.htm

[Father Biggles]

"Ever since this site has been online we have had numerous emails from the far left and right claiming that this site pro-Israel or either some kind of "Nazi" site. Well we are neither, this site is run by a bunch of average western guys from all over the world. We are sick of mass Muslim immigration and the way that it is changing our countries."

how do i join.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

As much as I appreciate and admire their pluck and initiative, Muslims will never be "out" until we successfully crash the system which keeps them here. They will never be out of France until every Socialist and Eurocrat is taking the long walk to Madame Guillotine.

Being against Islam and Muslim immigration is fine, but it would be wonderful if these lads engineered their passion for dissent into something constructive and damaging to the system.

[West]

If some have the desire to assidiously explore every pernicious facet of every foreign race that is illegitimately occupying my country then they have a stronger stomach than I...

For my part, I'm content to let every race in the wrong country to fully demonstrate their exotic racial dark corners in their own country of origin..

[Old Believer]

If some have the desire to assidiously explore every pernicious facet of every foreign race that is illegitimately occupying my country then they have a stronger stomach than I...

Some would argue, That rather than being seen to "explore every pernicous facet", they are trying to bring what is happening around them, into the public domain.
It is well worth remembering that the forces of "multiculturalism" that are at work 24/7, hide these facts, and go to extremities to 'hoodwink' the public into believing that there is no danger.

[West]

I'd sooner expose the role of the main culprits in this multiculturalial business than focus too much on peripheral arguments.

The latter runs the risk of delivering ever morenammunition to the liberal lefty muck & ignores the fact that whether these are quiet workers or hordes of uncivilised brutes they still represent a threatening influence on our country all the same....

[JSE]

http://www.muslimsout.org/home.htmHow very kosher.

[The Seamus]

Just ask why all these Mohamedeans "need" to come to EUropean contries? Why are Europeans not going to their countries in great numbers (perhaps because they wouldn't allow it?) Anyone ever consider that these people bring the seeds of destruction with them.

Also ask why this is the trend all over the world.

[Father Biggles]

How very kosher.

How is wanting all mudslums out of Europe kosher ?.

[Milesian]

I assume Elstner means it in the sense that it is focusing on the symptom (Muslim immigration) and not on the cause (Jewish power-brokers and their Shabbos Goyim politicans), that is the people who allow and encourage them to come here. Why only Muslims out, anyway?
Send them all back home :)

[Old Believer]

How very kosher.

Why? exposing Islam is not "Kosher" in fact that's a very zionist type of reply...

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

I assume Elstner means it in the sense that it is focusing on the symptom (Muslim immigration) and not on the cause (Jewish power-brokers and their Shabbos Goyim politicans), that is the people who allow and encourage them to come here. Why only Muslims out, anyway?
Send them all back home :)
That's exactly what Elstner's getting at.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the primary advertisers of the "dangers of Islam to Western civilisation" idea are neo-cons, Zionists and Jewish supremacists.

As Milesian said, send them all home. This country is in more immediate danger of being Slavicised in five years than it has of being Islamicised in a hundred. But if we continue to subscribe to this "immediate Islamic terrorist/invasion threat" nonsense, we'll end up surrendering our freedoms and our sanity to neo-cons, and others compromised by industrialism and crooked banking.

[Old Believer]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the primary advertisers of the "dangers of Islam to Western civilisation" idea are neo-cons, Zionists and Jewish supremacists.

While it may be true that they have "vested interests", It does not mean the threat is not real.....


As Milesian said, send them all home. This country is in more immediate danger of being Slavicised in five years than it has of being Islamicised in a hundred.

That may be true in Irelands case, but that is not the case with Britain, Islam is by far and away the biggest danger to them, and I for one am not that happy about having them at such close proximity to our shores...

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

While it may be true that they have "vested interests", It does not mean the threat is not real.....
Islamic immigration: yes. But "using their massive intel and communications networks to hijack commercial liners and fly them into X amount of targets requiring a restriction in your freedoms to hunt down these evil terrrrrrorists and thus saved Judeo-American civilisation from clear and present danger": No.


That may be true in Irelands case, but that is not the case with Britain, Islam is by far and away the biggest danger to them, and I for one am not that happy about having them at such close proximity to our shores...
Ireland is my first priority - but in the case of Britain, where is the proof that all those Pakis and Rabs are radical theocrats plotting set up a caliphate in Downing Street? They should be sent home because they're not English, not because there's some imaginary Muslim plot cooked up in Tel Aviv.

[Old Believer]

Islamic immigration: yes. But "using their massive intel and communications networks to hijack commercial liners and fly them into X amount of targets requiring a restriction in your freedoms to hunt down these evil terrrrrrorists and thus saved Judeo-American civilisation from clear and present danger": No.

So there are no Islamic terrorists in the world, Is that what you are saying?



Ireland is my first priority - but in the case of Britain, where is the proof that all those Pakis and Rabs are radical theocrats plotting set up a caliphate in Downing Street? They should be sent home because they're not English, not because there's some imaginary Muslim plot cooked up in Tel Aviv.

Go to Britain, any major city and then come back and tell me there is no attempt to establish their way of life over all others....

[The Seamus]

If I had a choice between kicking out the Jews or Muslims, I would kick out the Jews hands down. The Ahmeds at least have the honesty to come face first.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

So there are no Islamic terrorists in the world, Is that what you are saying?
No, but the threat isn't as alarming as we are being told by our masters. If you're talking about the boys in Iraq, they're freedom fighters. As are those in Palestine. All of them are heroes - I don't necessarily agree with their faith, but they are entitled to strike out in defence of their families and their homelands.

But as regards this en-masse suicide bombing phenomenon - whether in New York or Tel Aviv, I simply don't buy it. Blowing oneself up in crowded markets, or flying planes into buildings, no Muslim gains from this. Put into perspective, the whole concept and action of 9/11 is an abomination to Islam. It served no purpose for the religion, in fact, it has made life endlessly difficult for those who practice it, to the extent that they find their countries are being taken away by force. Where is the sense in that? Who really gains from those collapsing towers?

The creation of a mentality that Muslims are animals serves one agenda alone - the increase of Zionist power in the world. Frankly, there is only one set of people so contemptible of Gentiles that they would massacre 3,000 of them in New York City for the obvious political and military benefits.

"It's very good.... Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy."
- Benjamin Netanyahu on the 9/11 attacks and their impact on U.S./Israeli relations


Go to Britain, any major city and then come back and tell me there is no attempt to establish their way of life over all others....
There are many others trying to do that, not just Muslims. Feck them all out.

[West]

For the Islamist's if there is no-one here to extend an invitation to the party that's the threat gone at a stroke...

After that if they hit us with armies...etc, will at least that has honour attached to it..

It may be a bit of a flaw on my part but whenever little Bush warbles on about a "a hidden enemy lurks" one begin's to have grave doubts about his mental age let alone his sincerity...

There's a real malicious intent here masked by this "terrorist threat"...

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

It may be a bit of a flaw on my part but whenever little Bush warbles on about a "a hidden enemy lurks" one begin's to have grave doubts about his mental age let alone his sincerity...

There's a real malicious intent here masked by this "terrorist threat"...
It's all a con. In fact, it's a neo-con :thumbsup

Put that one on a box of cereal :D

[The Seamus]

It's all a con. In fact, it's a neo-con :thumbsup

Put that one on a box of cereal :D

We should have stuck to Monroe's doctrine, but no the Jews had to come over and screw it all up, and it was going so well.

[Old Believer]

No, but the threat isn't as alarming as we are being told by our masters.

I disagree, Long before any warnings sounded from our "masters" the threat existed, Islam is, and always will be a religion dedicated to the convesion of the whole World, it's that simple, and I pay no attention to our "masters", who up until the fall of the Soviet Union actively courted Islamic extremism for their own ends, A policy that back-fired big time......



If you're talking about the boys in Iraq, they're freedom fighters.

Fighting to establish what exactly?


As are those in Palestine. All of them are heroes - I don't necessarily agree with their faith, but they are entitled to strike out in defence of their families and their homelands.

I have no problem with the Palestinians, and what they desire, however it is simply naive in the extreme to lump the various factions in Iraq as being on the same level, it's akin to comparing the IRA and the UDA as being the same.


But as regards this en-masse suicide bombing phenomenon - whether in New York or Tel Aviv, I simply don't buy it. Blowing oneself up in crowded markets, or flying planes into buildings, no Muslim gains from this.

So no one gains eh, Did Pearse think he had a 'blind chance in hell' of winning when he entered the GPO?
A Martyr is a very powerful weapon....




Put into perspective, the whole concept and action of 9/11 is an abomination to Islam. It served no purpose for the religion, in fact, it has made life endlessly difficult for those who practice it, to the extent that they find their countries are being taken away by force. Where is the sense in that? Who really gains from those collapsing towers?

Was the attack on innocent kids at Beslan anything other than an abomination against Islam? Yet it still happened....



The creation of a mentality that Muslims are animals serves one agenda alone - the increase of Zionist power in the world. Frankly, there is only one set of people so contemptible of Gentiles that they would massacre 3,000 of them in New York City for the obvious political and military benefits.

Islam is also "contemptible" of all who refuse to bow to their religion, but then again you yourself have stated that you are an "Islamophile" so you are only going to see what suits your agenda.....


"It's very good.... Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy."
- Benjamin Netanyahu on the 9/11 attacks and their impact on U.S./Israeli relations

Pointless quote....



There are many others trying to do that, not just Muslims. Feck them all out.

Examples please?

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

I disagree, Long before any warnings sounded from our "masters" the threat existed, Islam is, and always will be a religion dedicated to the convesion of the whole World,
So is Catholicism. Watch out! :D

I think I made the point before that before the twentieth century, Europe maintained a hostile policy towards Islam. I also said before that rulers like Charles Martel were able to keep Islam at bay because they had the will and the means. Multiculturalism, religious decay, political correctness, decolonisation and greed now retard our "leaders" from decisive action to save Christian and European civilisation. But we will never address the threat of Islam by engaging it in the way Washington does - through lies and exaggerations, all in the name of Israel. To forestall an Islamic Europe - we have to ditch the bastards in charge here FIRST - including those like Blair and Ahern, who lie about the Al Qaeda "threat" to justify wars of conquest and greed.


it's that simple,
I'm afraid the subtleties of international affairs, the conduct and destiny of nations and the grapple for resources, and the machinations of individuals and groups are never "that simple".


and I pay no attention to our "masters",
You would do well to. There the one's who are responsible for our current situation. And until they're gone, along with their Zionist bankers and media men, we'll can moan about Islam all we want but get nowhere.


who up until the fall of the Soviet Union actively courted Islamic extremism for their own ends, A policy that back-fired big time......
Backfired for who? Our "leaders"? I don't think so. They seem pretty fine to me, apart from the Iraq hiccup.


Fighting to establish what exactly?
It would be tremendously naive to believe that "Al Qaeda" is fighting the war in Iraq, as the Jewish press tells us - it is in fact the Sunnis and Ba'athists who are leading the Rebellion. They are secularists - so, if that's a rhetorical question you're asking, they aren't fighting to establish an Islamic theocracy. They're fighting to get traitors, Jewish power and American debauchery out of their homeland, and re-establish the Republic of Iraq. More luck to them.


I have no problem with the Palestinians, and what they desire, however it is simply naive in the extreme to lump the various factions in Iraq as being on the same level, it's akin to comparing the IRA and the UDA as being the same.
Granted, there are a plethora of Islamic extremist groups fighting in Iraq (probably none of whom are called "Al Qaeda" and none of whom behead Gentiles), but they have as equal a beef against the Americans and Israel as the Sunnis. And why shouldn't they? They're entitled to their homeland as much as anyone. If they end up ruling Iraq, and then threaten the West, we have no-one to blame but Bush, Blair and their friends in the Coalition of the Willing - not the Iraqis.


So no one gains eh, Did Pearse think he had a 'blind chance in hell' of winning when he entered the GPO?
A Martyr is a very powerful weapon....
It is, but fighting the British in a legitimate rebellion is a little different than flying a plane into a building full of people. It just doesn't happen, and it's not naive to think that Arabs wouldn't be capable of it. It's just not an Arab thing to do. I have met many Arabs in my time, and none of them had a drop of hatred. It was MUSLIMS who first objected to the Department of Health's decision to remove a crib from St. James's Hospital.

On the other hand, I can think of a certain group of Semites who have enough contempt for Gentiles and Christians to (i) complain about a crib, and (ii) kill 3,000 people by blowing up their own, fully insured property.


Was the attack on innocent kids at Beslan anything other than an abomination against Islam? Yet it still happened....
Two sets of people came off from the Beslan affair looking bad. Muslims, and the Russian state.
These, the same Muslims/Arabs/Persians who are trying to wrestle their homeland back from Zionist power.
This, the same Russian state which is currently the implacable enemy of Zionist ambitions in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

I will say that there is absolutely no available evidence that Beslan was carried out by either Muslims or Chechens (in fact, it was stated that there were NO Chechens among the dead gunmen). Russian officials said it was possible that agents of foreign governments were responsible, but did not specify which country they came from. I would bet my bottom euro that they were Israeli operatives.

The whole objective of Beslan was to portray Muslims as barbarians, and the Russian government as incompetent and unable to control its own territories.


Islam is also "contemptible" of all who refuse to bow to their religion, but then again you yourself have stated that you are an "Islamophile" so you are only going to see what suits your agenda.....
I don't want to live under Islam no more than you do, it's a Jewish heresy and enemy of the Catholic Faith. But I am not so gung-ho as to overlook who my darkest enemies are.


Pointless quote....
I cannot comprehend you. You claim you appreciate the insidious nature of Zionism, and yet you follow it up by constantly writing it off as just another localised Jewish interest group... your understanding of Zionism, its motives and the levels to which it is willing to stoop to grab power is quite limited.


Examples please?
In Ireland? Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians, Russians, Ukrainians, Africans, Filipinos, Indians, Romany gypsies, Jews, Kazakhs, Chinese, Malaysians et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...

And when you add to that the Unionists, Loyalists and the many thousands of Irish people who are far-left-leaning or too rich, Masonic and powerful to care otherwise, you will begin to realise:

THE "CLEAR AND PRESENT ISLAMIC THREAT" IS A DISTRACTION!

[JSE]

Why? exposing Islam is not "Kosher" in fact that's a very zionist type of reply...Much of the rhetoric on that site is word for word the kind of stuff the zionists have been plugging for years. Follow their links and see the kind of friends they are commending, it becomes more explicit. Do a DNS check on that site. You will find that you are unable to answer this simple question: who are they? But then I think I know the answer to that question already.

ITP is quite correct about this:
Originally Posted by IrishThirdPosition
THE "CLEAR AND PRESENT ISLAMIC THREAT" IS A DISTRACTION!

[The Dagda]

Much of the rhetoric on that site is word for word the kind of stuff the zionists have been plugging for years. Follow their links and see the kind of friends they are commending, it becomes more explicit. Do a DNS check on that site. You will find that you are unable to answer this simple question: who are they? But then I think I know the answer to that question already.
That doesn't take away from the fact that we don't want or need Muslims in Ireland, most of them are living off the state, that's our taxes that should be spent on Irish people only.

[JSE]

That doesn't take away from the fact that we don't want or need Muslims in Ireland, most of them are living off the state, that's our taxes that should be spent on Irish people only.That's another matter entirely for which I have seen little or no disagreement here.

[The Dagda]

That's another matter entirely for which I have seen little or no disagreement here.
So why does it matter who runs the site ?

[West]

So why does it matter who runs the site ?
Well having a vested interest in scaring the world of the Islamists they might be tempted to let a few porkies creep out..

There's no need to be alarmed as long as we have the good common sense to expel them.

[JSE]

So why does it matter who runs the site ?Because the site pushes a Zionist agenda that portrays Islam as the imminent and principal threat to western civilisation, that is to say, a lie. The threat of that nature comes from within - who controls the media and the finances of the west to a signifcant degree? Those who have influence over "hearts and minds" and the purse strings pose an incalculably greater threat than small groups of fanatics who are for the most part manipulated by the very same forces named above.

The threat to the west comes from a mixture of nihilism, crass materialism, and a rising tyranny of private interest that is destroying the public sphere, turning us all into mindless passive consumers of their nihilistic rubbish.

[The Dagda]

Because the site pushes a Zionist agenda that portrays Islam as the imminent and principal threat to western civilisation, that is to say, a lie. The threat of that nature comes from within - who controls the media and the finances of the west to a signifcant degree? Those who have influence over "hearts and minds" and the purse strings pose an incalculably greater threat than small groups of fanatics who are for the most part manipulated by the very same forces named above.

The threat to the west comes from a mixture of nihilism, crass materialism, and a rising tyranny of private interest that is destroying the public sphere, turning us all into mindless passive consumers of their nihilistic rubbish.
The Jews want to be westernised, the Muslims don't, therefore Jews can be integrated more than the islamics. The many thousands of Muslims in Ireland are a much greater burden on the average Irish citizen than the comparitavely small number of Hebrews, don't you agree ?

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

The Jews want to be westernised, the Muslims don't, therefore Jews can be integrated more than the islamics. The many thousands of Muslims in Ireland are a much greater burden on the average Irish citizen than the comparitavely small number of Hebrews, don't you agree ?
But infinitely less of a burden than the eastern Europeans.

[JSE]

The Jews want to be westernised, the Muslims don't, therefore Jews can be integrated more than the islamics. The many thousands of Muslims in Ireland are a much greater burden on the average Irish citizen than the comparitavely small number of Hebrews, don't you agree ?No, I don't. I think the basic premisses here are faulty. The TV sets in all those Irish homes are the medium by which minds are shaped. The content is largely produced by Jewish controlled media and conveys ideas and attitudes that promote the interests of organised Jewry, Zionism and transnational capitalism. For example, Pixar films and DreamWorks (Spielberg) account for a large percentage of childrens films which are viewed by Irish children (amongst others). These films openly promote all sorts of ideas and views which are anathema to nationalists and people are being targetted from childhood. The very same forces continuously denigrate everything we would hold dear whilst shoving their poison in our children's faces. This is a far greater danger than a small number of Islamic fanatics could ever be.

Jews have never been integrated into any society unfortunate enough to play host to them. History bears out again and again, that any society which has a significant Jewish presence is doomed and usually ends up driving them out or being destroyed one way or another. The nature of modern media means that they do not need to be physically present to exert influence. But even in the past this was so. Cromwell was only possible becasue of Jewish money - the payoff being their re-admission to England. The Williamite coup which led to a century and a half of repression culminating in the Famine was only possible becasue the Jewish bankers of Amsterdam and London financed him. So historically, they have caused great harm to Ireland.

Real influence - hence power - is with those who have the means to shape attitudes and control what is said and what is not said.

[Milesian]

The content is largely produced by Jewish controlled media and conveys ideas and attitudes that promote the interests of organised Jewry, Zionism and transnational capitalism.
I am in agreement with that.

The great Ideal of Judaism is not that Jews shall be allowed to flock together one day in some hole-and-corner fashion, for, if not tribal, at any rate separatist objects; but that the whole world shall be imbued with Jewish teachings, and that in a Universal Brotherhood of Nations, a great Judaism, in fact, all the separate races and religions shall disappear...The new Constitution of the [Jewish] Board of Deputies marks an epoch in the history of that important institution...The real importance of the new Constitution is...that it provides a machinery for enabling the Jews of England to work together when the occasion requires, that in short it organizes the Jews of the whole Empire, and renders their aggregate force available in cases of emergency." (Jewish World, February 9 and 16, 1883).

[Old Believer]

So is Catholicism. Watch out! :D

I think I made the point before that before the twentieth century, Europe maintained a hostile policy towards Islam. I also said before that rulers like Charles Martel were able to keep Islam at bay because they had the will and the means. Multiculturalism, religious decay, political correctness, decolonisation and greed now retard our "leaders" from decisive action to save Christian and European civilisation. But we will never address the threat of Islam by engaging it in the way Washington does - through lies and exaggerations, all in the name of Israel. To forestall an Islamic Europe - we have to ditch the bastards in charge here FIRST - including those like Blair and Ahern, who lie about the Al Qaeda "threat" to justify wars of conquest and greed.

I have no disagreement with that strategy other than to say , That to believe everything Islamic related is an exaggeration is being blinded by hatred for Zionism, the Islamic threat is very real, Paris, Oldham, Bradford the fact that Turkish is now officially the second language of Germany, the increasing demands for Europeans in their own nations to “respect” Muslim traditions in the form of forcing out any European traditions that might offend Muslims, are just the tip of the iceberg, there’s even a halal butcher in cork city ffs.





I'm afraid the subtleties of international affairs, the conduct and destiny of nations and the grapple for resources, and the machinations of individuals and groups are never "that simple".

Radical Islam cares nothing for such machinations, It has one goal that unites the various faction, the Islamification of the entire planet under Allah....



You would do well to. There the one's who are responsible for our current situation. And until they're gone, along with their Zionist bankers and media men, we'll can moan about Islam all we want but get nowhere.

By that, I ment I have no interest in what they say, my goal is to be rid of the lot of them.



Backfired for who? Our "leaders"? I don't think so. They seem pretty fine to me, apart from the Iraq hiccup.

At present they are bending over backwards to placate Islamic communities by introducing ever measure under the sun to stop a repeat of incidents such as the Paris riots, but that was only the tip of the iceberg and they are living on borrowed time, in the meantime Islam sits back laughs and waits….



It would be tremendously naive to believe that "Al Qaeda" is fighting the war in Iraq, as the Jewish press tells us - it is in fact the Sunnis and Ba'athists who are leading the Rebellion.

Fox news and the various US networks may blame Al Qaeda from time to time, but here in Europe, I have never once heard RTE or any others call them by that name.....



They are secularists - so, if that's a rhetorical question you're asking, they aren't fighting to establish an Islamic theocracy. They're fighting to get traitors, Jewish power and American debauchery out of their homeland, and re-establish the Republic of Iraq. More luck to them.

Then you are falling for Islamic propoganda "hook line and sinker", if you really believe that.....



Granted, there are a plethora of Islamic extremist groups fighting in Iraq (probably none of whom are called "Al Qaeda" and none of whom behead Gentiles), but they have as equal a beef against the Americans and Israel as the Sunnis. And why shouldn't they?

Wait a minute? Their either secular or extremists which is it?




They're entitled to their homeland as much as anyone. If they end up ruling Iraq, and then threaten the West, we have no-one to blame but Bush, Blair and their friends in the Coalition of the Willing - not the Iraqis.

If you really believed they were secular, then you would'nt be contradicting yourself for the third time....



It is, but fighting the British in a legitimate rebellion is a little different than flying a plane into a building full of people. It just doesn't happen, and it's not naive to think that Arabs wouldn't be capable of it. It's just not an Arab thing to do.

So no arab has ever killed innocent people before, Is that what you are saying?




I have met many Arabs in my time, and none of them had a drop of hatred.

How do you know, what did you expect, "Hi my name is Osama, I am going to blow myself up and kill all the evil zionists"
Your statement sound suspiciously like statements from the neighbours of serial killers, I.e. "he was a quite man, never bothered anyone"......



It was MUSLIMS who first objected to the Department of Health's decision to remove a crib from St. James's Hospital.

"First objected" or decided to join the chorus of condemnation after the event transpired?
I would be very interested if you could prove they were first to object, not for any argument in this thread, but as info that a lot of people I know would be happy to recieve..




On the other hand, I can think of a certain group of Semites who have enough contempt for Gentiles and Christians to (i) complain about a crib, and (ii) kill 3,000 people by blowing up their own, fully insured property.

I can also think of another group of semites, who would also kill 3000 of their sworn enemy with no loss of sleep whatsoever, no matter how devoid of hatred you seem to believe they maintain......



Two sets of people came off from the Beslan affair looking bad. Muslims, and the Russian state.
These, the same Muslims/Arabs/Persians who are trying to wrestle their homeland back from Zionist power.
This, the same Russian state which is currently the implacable enemy of Zionist ambitions in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

I will say that there is absolutely no available evidence that Beslan was carried out by either Muslims or Chechens (in fact, it was stated that there were NO Chechens among the dead gunmen). Russian officials said it was possible that agents of foreign governments were responsible, but did not specify which country they came from. I would bet my bottom euro that they were Israeli operatives.

Shamil Basayev claimed responsibilty for the attack, I suppose however you regard him as being an agent of zionism?






The whole objective of Beslan was to portray Muslims as barbarians, and the Russian government as incompetent and unable to control its own territories.

They are and their not.....



I don't want to live under Islam no more than you do, it's a Jewish heresy and enemy of the Catholic Faith. But I am not so gung-ho as to overlook who my darkest enemies are.

I don't believe you, I consider zionism and islam as being my enemy, but the defence of Islam on this forum is getting past a joke.



I cannot comprehend you. You claim you appreciate the insidious nature of Zionism, and yet you follow it up by constantly writing it off as just another localised Jewish interest group... your understanding of Zionism, its motives and the levels to which it is willing to stoop to grab power is quite limited.

As is your understanding of Islam.

[Old Believer]

Much of the rhetoric on that site is word for word the kind of stuff the zionists have been plugging for years.

"Much of the rhetoric" is also the "stuff" I and people like me have also been "plugging for years", just because the zionists happen to agree with the end-result does not make it any less valid...
Are you saying you are right and everybody else is wrong just because you have a certain sympathy for Islamicists?

In your view, Do I qualify as an agent of zionism, because I agree with much of what I have read on Islam and what is represented on that site? (And I might add it goes far beyond that website, which is nothing more than a basic guide to islam).

[JSE]

"Much of the rhetoric" is also the "stuff" I and people like me have also been "plugging for years", just because the zionists happen to agree with the end-result does not make it any less valid...That would be right if it were true but that was not my point. I am saying that the depiction of Islam on those sites as an imminent threat is false. The question of the Muslim presence in Europe and how we view that is a separate matter which should be based on realistic and truthful evaluation, not on Zionist scare-mongering and "watch the birdy" distractions.

Are you saying you are right and everybody else is wrong just because you have a certain sympathy for Islamicists?Au contraire! I have no sympathy for Islamicism.

In your view, Do I qualify as an agent of zionism, because I agree with much of what I have read on Islam and what is represented on that site? (And I might add it goes far beyond that website, which is nothing more than a basic guide to islam).Certainly not. All it means, is that for some reason that kind of rhetoric strikes a chord with you.

I am certainly of the view that Islam is incompatible with the spirit of European civilisation and should be kept at bay; this has always been the case. But that is a far cry from the kind of thing represented in those sites (which btw, have an obsession with "Israeli" security, did you notice?) which are plugging an agenda designed to weaken sympathy for the Palestinians and rally public support for zionist plans for the middle east. Its so transparent I can hardly believe we are arguing about this.

[The Dagda]

Real influence - hence power - is with those who have the means to shape attitudes and control what is said and what is not said.
Of course, but if they are saying what is true, and from time to time it is, then what is the problem ?

The fact that the Jews are in positions of influence is admirable, we should strive to emulate that, we live in a capitalist world and therefore the Muslim dole spongers are more of an obvious threat to the Irish taxpayer.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

I have no disagreement with that strategy other than to say , That to believe everything Islamic related is an exaggeration is being blinded by hatred for Zionism, the Islamic threat is very real, Paris, Oldham, Bradford the fact that Turkish is now officially the second language of Germany, the increasing demands for Europeans in their own nations to “respect” Muslim traditions in the form of forcing out any European traditions that might offend Muslims, are just the tip of the iceberg, there’s even a halal butcher in cork city ffs.
And what guarantee do you have that even 5% of these blokes are Islamic extremists? Really, they're just like the rest of the immigrants, and all have one thing in common - they must ALL go.
As for the Turks, I don't want them in Europe, but they can hardly be redlined as Islamic extremists. Most Turks are radically secular.


Radical Islam cares nothing for such machinations, It has one goal that unites the various faction, the Islamification of the entire planet under Allah....
Judaism has the same objective, and the Jews already have Western governments, financial and banking systems, political ideologies, media bodies and business empires under their control. Islam simply doesn't compare.


By that, I ment I have no interest in what they say, my goal is to be rid of the lot of them.
Same here.


At present they are bending over backwards to placate Islamic communities by introducing ever measure under the sun to stop a repeat of incidents such as the Paris riots, but that was only the tip of the iceberg and they are living on borrowed time, in the meantime Islam sits back laughs and waits….
Here? I'm more concerned about the eastern Europeans...


Fox news and the various US networks may blame Al Qaeda from time to time, but here in Europe,
Yeah. The retards!


I have never once heard RTE or any others call them by that name.....
I've often heard them say that the Iraqi rebellion is being lead by "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq" which is universally accepted as horseshit.


Then you are falling for Islamic propoganda "hook line and sinker", if you really believe that.....
Not really. It just takes understanding of the subtleties of what's happening on the ground, and linking it with what's been said in the past.



Wait a minute? Their either secular or extremists which is it?

If you really believed they were secular, then you would'nt be contradicting yourself for the third time....
The American invasion has created Islamic extremism in Iraq. While Saddam was in power, it was kept in check. The rebellion, meanwhile, was pre-planned by the Ba'athist secularists, and underground bunkers were already in preparation when Bush II was elected in 2000. The Americans found some of these bunkers - some the size of three football fields. Hardly the handiwork of Islamic extremists who were on the run from both America AND Saddam.


So no arab has ever killed innocent people before, Is that what you are saying?
Don't be smart. Of course there are plenty of Arabs who have killed innocent people. Can you think of any race or nation that hasn't?


How do you know, what did you expect, "Hi my name is Osama, I am going to blow myself up and kill all the evil zionists"
Your statement sound suspiciously like statements from the neighbours of serial killers, I.e. "he was a quite man, never bothered anyone"......
At the end of the day, Osama bin Laden doesn't matter. Since they high-tailed it into Afghanistan in October 2001, it's become clear that all "Osama bin Laden" is an Emanuel Goldstein-style figure to hike up fear and increase support for war.
If I'm going to blow up your house in the morning, I won't publicise it on television. It's a "Two Minute Hate" technique. That's all it is... and you have taken it hook, line and sinker.


"First objected" or decided to join the chorus of condemnation after the event transpired?
I would be very interested if you could prove they were first to object, not for any argument in this thread, but as info that a lot of people I know would be happy to recieve..
That's hilarious considering you were the one who posted the article :D

http://www.irish-nationalism.net/showthread.php?t=4789&highlight=crib


I can also think of another group of semites, who would also kill 3000 of their sworn enemy with no loss of sleep whatsoever, no matter how devoid of hatred you seem to believe they maintain......
Every set of people has its bad eggs, but some have more than others :jew


Shamil Basayev claimed responsibilty for the attack, I suppose however you regard him as being an agent of zionism?
1. I'd like a link to Besayev's "confession" and
2. Proof that it's true. Can you prove it? No. You don't control the news; we both know (or at least I think you know) who does. Remember, we were all very surprised to hear about Denis Donaldson. People become assets of evil for the strangest of reasons, and pursue the strangest of deceptions. Money plays a big part in this scenario.


They are and their not.....
All Muslims/Arabs/Persians are barbarians? That sounds like a Ted Roach-esque broad generalisation.

The Russians incompetent? Tell that to the kikes who were stitched up by Putin when he discovered that they were looting Russia of its riches and taking it to Israel. Now they're either under the protection of Blair/Bush, or rotting in Russian jails. Vladimir Putin is the subtlest, cleverest politico on the face of the earth.


I don't believe you, I consider zionism and islam as being my enemy, but the defence of Islam on this forum is getting past a joke.
That's a massive misrepresentation, as a Catholic it's heresy to defend Islam, which is nothing more than a Jewish heresy designed to weaken and destroy Christianity on behalf of the Heebs.

I do, however, believe Arabs have the right to live in their own homelands unmolested.


As is your understanding of Islam.
It means little to me. I used to obsess about the evils of Islam, until I woke up who had the real passion for crookedness in this world.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

INS, I suppose you believe this too.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16559740%26method=full%26siteid=62484% 26headline=hiv%2dbombers%2d-name_page.html


8 January 2006

HIV BOMBERS

EXCLUSIVE Al-Qaeda's plot to infect troops with AIDS virus

By Rupert Hamer Defence Correspondent

AL-QAEDA is recruiting suicide bombers who are infected with the AIDS virus, according to documents revealed to the Sunday Mirror.

Terror chiefs are also targeting fanatics who suffer other lethal blood diseases such as hepatitis and dengue fever in order to increase their "kill rate" from an explosion. The chilling new threat is revealed in papers distributed to British military camps in Iraq and across Europe.

Under the heading "HIV/Hepatitis" the document states: "There is evidence that terrorists might be deliberately recruiting volunteers with diseases that are spread by blood transference."

This is the level the Jewish press have stooped to. I'm not defending Islam - I'm defending sanity.

[JSE]

Of course, but if they are saying what is true, and from time to time it is, then what is the problem ?But I have already indicated that what they are saying is not true.


The fact that the Jews are in positions of influence is admirableI can't imagine how.
, we should strive to emulate that, we live in a capitalist world In other words become Judaised? No thank you.

[JSE]

INS, I suppose you believe this too.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16559740%26method=full%26siteid=62484% 26headline=hiv%2dbombers%2d-name_page.html



This is the level the Jewish press have stooped to. I'm not defending Islam - I'm defending sanity.This truly is insane. Its actually very difficult to become infected with HIV, it requires intercourse or needle sharing and even then its not 100% guaranteed.

[Old Believer]

And what guarantee do you have that even 5% of these blokes are Islamic extremists? Really, they're just like the rest of the immigrants, and all have one thing in common - they must ALL go.
As for the Turks, I don't want them in Europe, but they can hardly be redlined as Islamic extremists. Most Turks are radically secular.

It is well known that many Islamic extremists wanted in their own countries have travelled to Europe under the guise of seeking asylum, rather than face certain death back home where their extremist beliefs threaten the stability and leaders of such countries.
Europe welcomes them with open arms oblivious of the threat they bring with them in the form of their beliefs, and protects them more often than not under the guise of “freedom of religion”.
As for the secular turks, all it takes is a regime change in Turkey, and radical Islam is growing in Turkey.



Judaism has the same objective, and the Jews already have Western governments, financial and banking systems, political ideologies, media bodies and business empires under their control. Islam simply doesn't compare.

"Islam simply does'nt compare"... for the moment, but their influence is growing and with the treacherous hand of the e.u walking them hand in hand it is only a matter of when not if.
The recent Paris riots were an example of how much money, media power and control of financial institutions matter little in the face of naked violence, and although the riots were quelled, it was only the end of the beginning…..







I've often heard them say that the Iraqi rebellion is being lead by "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq" which is universally accepted as horseshit.

That is more media ignorance than anything else, the term AL Qaeda in Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the Al Qaeda, of Osama Bin Ladin.



Not really. It just takes understanding of the subtleties of what's happening on the ground, and linking it with what's been said in the past.

Really, Are you on the ground in Iraq, have you met with the various factions?







Don't be smart. Of course there are plenty of Arabs who have killed innocent people. Can you think of any race or nation that hasn't?

Tibetans :D





That's hilarious considering you were the one who posted the article :D

I know I posted the article, I will repeat the question...
you stated Muslims were the first to protest at the removal of the crib, note the word first!


1. I'd like a link to Besayev's "confession" and

He admitted responsibility, when he could have denied it, stop confusing confessions with accountability.


2. Proof that it's true. Can you prove it? No. You don't control the news; we both know (or at least I think you know) who does. Remember, we were all very surprised to hear about Denis Donaldson. People become assets of evil for the strangest of reasons, and pursue the strangest of deceptions. Money plays a big part in this scenario.

Putins blames Besayev for the massacre who am I to disagree?



All Muslims/Arabs/Persians are barbarians? That sounds like a Ted Roach-esque broad generalisation.

No comment ;)


The Russians incompetent? Tell that to the kikes who were stitched up by Putin when he discovered that they were looting Russia of its riches and taking it to Israel. Now they're either under the protection of Blair/Bush, or rotting in Russian jails. Vladimir Putin is the subtlest, cleverest politico on the face of the earth.

Putin is one Russian, they are on the whole an Incompetent people.

[Old Believer]

INS, I suppose you believe this too.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16559740%26method=full%26siteid=62484% 26headline=hiv%2dbombers%2d-name_page.html



This is the level the Jewish press have stooped to. I'm not defending Islam - I'm defending sanity.

This is more than likely a plan submitted by Russias FSB, it has an incompetant feel to it.... ;)

[The Dagda]

But I have already indicated that what they are saying is not true.
It is true that Muslims are a threat to Europe, they impose their alien religion and culture on us and they are here in vast numbers. Our Cultures are being diluted by foreign non European immigration.



I can't imagine how.
They are organised, we are not.



In other words become Judaised? No thank you.
I'm not suggesting that you clip your foreskin or anything, the Jews have a goal to dominate, we should also have a goal, to defend and protect ourselves from outside influence.

[The Dagda]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16559740%26method=full%26siteid=62484% 26headline=hiv%2dbombers%2d-name_page.html
Maybe they are planning a suicide bumming campaign. :D

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

It is well known that many Islamic extremists wanted in their own countries have travelled to Europe under the guise of seeking asylum, rather than face certain death back home where their extremist beliefs threaten the stability and leaders of such countries.
Agreed. But I have less chance of dying in an Islamic terrorist attack in Dublin tomorrow than I have of dying in a meteor impact.


Europe welcomes them with open arms oblivious of the threat they bring with them in the form of their beliefs, and protects them more often than not under the guise of “freedom of religion”.
Who engineers this policy though? You're attempting to cut off the head of the problem, and not destroy it at the root.


As for the secular turks, all it takes is a regime change in Turkey, and radical Islam is growing in Turkey.
Regime change, growing radical Islam... sounds like neo-con over-excitement to me.


"Islam simply does'nt compare"... for the moment, but their influence is growing and with the treacherous hand of the e.u walking them hand in hand it is only a matter of when not if.
Good God, I'm getting tired of this. What about the enemy who has already won? Who has already stolen our freedom?


The recent Paris riots were an example of how much money, media power and control of financial institutions matter little in the face of naked violence, and although the riots were quelled, it was only the end of the beginning…..
Since when do Arabs equate with violence? We have thousands of criminal eastern Europeans causing trouble in this country as it is, I don't think Arab immigrants have the monopoly on thuggery.


the term AL Qaeda in Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the Al Qaeda, of Osama Bin Ladin.
Correct. Neither of them exist.


Really, Are you on the ground in Iraq, have you met with the various factions?
No, but it doesn't take much to ascertain truth from fiction once one takes the time to read the different strands of argument. It's simple to understand that the rebellion was planned in advance by the Ba'athists, despite the media overwhelmingly trying to convince us that it's an "Al Qaeda" operation.


Tibetans :D
I can think of a certain target for their anger, on a bad day :D


I know I posted the article, I will repeat the question...
you stated Muslims were the first to protest at the removal of the crib, note the word first!
The order doesn't matter. If we take your logic on board, then these Muslims would have had an inbuilt desire to set fire to the crib and kill all the patients for not converting to Islam. That doesn't weigh in with reality.

Having said that, they have their own countries...


He admitted responsibility, when he could have denied it, stop confusing confessions with accountability.
So just because he confessed to it, he automatically did it.

An honest Muslim :lol

Believe nothing you see on television, or as it is presented. Read everything, and then make your judgments. I think you'll be surprised.


Putins blames Besayev for the massacre who am I to disagree?
Putin also acknowledges Bin Laden did 9/11, although I'm sure he really thinks otherwise.


No comment ;)
Caught ya :lol


Putin is one Russian, they are on the whole an Incompetent people.
But Putin is the top dog Russian ;)

[type O celt]

Of course, but if they are saying what is true, and from time to time it is, then what is the problem ?

The fact that the Jews are in positions of influence is admirable, we should strive to emulate that, we live in a capitalist world and therefore the Muslim dole spongers are more of an obvious threat to the Irish taxpayer.
Of course the WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES is extremely rich and is "the" political LIGHTHOUSE of the entire world.....Please call it up for your edification and enlightment...the African Zion Methodist Church seems to be at the top of the list......Which way did Moses travel? From Saudia Arabia back into Africa or from Africa back to Saudia Arabia ? Mystical Ireland and her religions didn't have to wander over sand dunes looking for their great unturbaned Gods and Goddess'....besides, the Irish gods would NOT let the "others" disembark!!!!! Seems you can't find a good DAGDA when you need one.. :shrug

[The Dagda]

Of course the WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES is extremely rich and is "the" political LIGHTHOUSE of the entire world.....Please call it up for your edification and enlightment...the African Zion Methodist Church seems to be at the top of the list......Which way did Moses travel? From Saudia Arabia back into Africa or from Africa back to Saudia Arabia ? Mystical Ireland and her religions didn't have to wander over sand dunes looking for their great unturbaned Gods and Goddess'....besides, the Irish gods would NOT let the "others" disembark!!!!! Seems you can't find a good DAGDA when you need one.. :shrug
What ?

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

What ?
I might ask the same question mate. R.W. thinks it's Dark Rosaleen.