Ireland out of World Cup

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

F**king depressing stuff.

[masty]

F**king depressing stuff.

Language.

I didn't find it depressing at all.....

Any of you folks on here related to yer-man Clinton Morrison?

[The Chauvinist]

Bah, i can handle it. I find it ten times as depressing when they get kicked out at a higher level. That Spain penalty shootout was prossibly my lowest point of 2002.

[Liam Ó Loinsigh]

Language.
Spot the asterisks. It's called a censor.


I didn't find it depressing at all.....
Of course you didn't, you're a Jaffa.


Any of you folks on here related to yer-man Clinton Morrison?
Eejit shouldn't be near the team.

[masty]

Spot the asterisks. It's called a censor.There is absolutely no difference in strategically placing astericks in a swear word or writing it in full. Hypocrite.



Of course you didn't, you're a Jaffa.I'm a Loyalist.


Eejit shouldn't be near the team.He must have Southern Irish blood in his family tree somewhere along the line, thats why I asked if any of you republicans were related to him, on the quiet like.....

[The Seamus]

F**king depressing stuff.

You really need to find a new sport to follow.

As for you Masty you are no more Irish than this man:


http://gfx.dagbladet.no/sport/2004/07/15/shaq.jpg

[masty]

You really need to find a new sport to follow.Like american football perhaps? Fruits in lyrca and padding. Is there any sport in the States not dominated by coons?


As for you Masty you are no more Irish than this man:Are ye sure about that? He looks like he could be related to Clinton Morrison, to me.....

[green nationalist]

ah well, these things happen

[West]

So what we're rubbish @ a foreign sport? A sport where the fan is extorted to buy strips at outrageous prices.A sport that worships the imbecile Beckham as one of its greatest heroes.An English sport where - in light of their huge population - even the English aren't that good at...

[The Seamus]

Like american football perhaps? Fruits in lyrca and padding. Is there any sport in the States not dominated by coons?

Yeah like these-

Wrestling:http://www.mgoblue.com/images/wrestling/04-05/churella-j.jpg

UFC:http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/nyma/student_pics/gan-ufc.jpg

IDPA:http://www.giwera.pl/foto/2003/news03/idpa/idpa.jpg

IPSC:http://www.tasc-ipsc.org/images/composite05.jpg

Long Range Bullseye shooting:http://www.riflebarrels.com/images/MSO1000yd-3crop.jpg

Mountain Biking: http://www.super8moab.com/images/mountain-biking.jpg

Downhill racing: http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.com/mtswjm.jpg

Bull Riding:http://www.seykota.com/tribe/FAQ/2003_May/May_4-10/rodeo-bull-riding.jpg

and a hundred more, the only thing is some men would rather what other guys play with their balls.

[An tÓglach]

You were doing SO well till the bull riding! :rofl

[The Seamus]

You were doing SO well till the bull riding! :rofl

I've jumped on the back of an untamed hoofed mammal, it wasn't but a split second before that Bronc through my ass across the pen into an electric fence.

Why what's YOUR problem will bull riding?:unclesam

[The Chauvinist]

I love UFC.

[An tÓglach]

Why what's YOUR problem will bull riding?
Nothing particularly. I just think it's absurd generally.

[The Seamus]

Nothing particularly. I just think it's absurd generally.

All of our ancestor for thousands of years didn't think it was absurd.

[The Seamus]

I love UFC.

You have your new sport.

[An tÓglach]

All of our ancestor for thousands of years didn't think it was absurd.
They also wore loin cloths thousands of years ago which in todays world is absurd.

[The Chauvinist]

You have your new sport.

Not really, i generally watch it more than football. The only football that interests me are Irelands internationals. I can't understand why people watch the premiership, whats that got to do with us? In fact, why have RTE got a show devoted to english football? Who cares. On top of that i find it terminally boring, i'd rather play football.

Anyway UFC isn't as good as it used to be, what with Ken Shamrock and others now over the hill. Its still the best sport on the box though.

[The Seamus]

They also wore loin cloths thousands of years ago which in todays world is absurd.

That's a practical load of shit. Maybe they wore loin cloths in tropical areas, but 6000 years ago at the dawn of Sumerian civilization they had full developed dress and textiles, meaning they had had it before they entered intot he archeological record.

[An tÓglach]

That's a practical load of shit. Maybe they wore loin cloths in tropical areas, but 6000 years ago at the dawn of Sumerian civilization they had full developed dress and textiles, meaning they had had it before they entered intot he archeological record.
Interesting.

I don't ever recall seeing any of my lot dressed like that.

Calm down man will you. This site has turned into a handbag fest of late. It's pathetic.

[The Seamus]

Interesting.

I don't ever recall seeing any of my lot dressed like that.

Calm down man will you. This site has turned into a handbag fest of late. It's pathetic.

Let's just say I would rather live in the early Bronze Age Near East than in Modern America.

[An tÓglach]

Let's just say I would rather live in the early Bronze Age Near East than in Modern America.
Touché on that one sir.

[Tigernmas]

F**king depressing stuff.

I know but f*** it, Shay Given aside, the team that played last night was crap, the manager's crap, the tactics were crap, the atmosphere at Lansdowne road was fairly crap. Crap, crap, crap. Didn't suprise me in the slightest.
Like Jordan said though, I'd rather not be there than get to say the quarter finals then go out on a penalty shoot out.

[Milesian]

So you reckon that Kerr will be for the off soon?
That's what you get for having a Scottish manager :D

[Milesian]

BTW, I've heard Martin O'Neill's name banded about for the job.
Any truth in that?

[The Seamus]

So you reckon that Kerr will be for the off soon?
That's what you get for having a Scottish manager :D

My contracter and former employer is a Kerr. :rofl

[Tigernmas]

I never knew Kerr was a jock?!:eek

I reckon he'll go anyway, though they might keep him on for another 6 months or so, let him play a few friendlies while they look for a replacement.
The majority of people here would like O'Neill as manager. But I think I am one of the only people who doesn't support Celtic in the country, they're rubbish and they play in a rubbish league, so I don't hold O'Neill in high regard for any medals he won there. He done nothing in the Premiership and never got out of the group stages of the Champions League. He has achieved nothing in football. And I think he's holding out for the Man Yoo job anyway.
My personal choice would be a Dunphy-Giles partnership but that wont happen. I think Joe Kinnear will fancy himself this time round, and he wouldn't be a bad choice.

[The Dagda]

So you reckon that Kerr will be for the off soon?
Lets hope so, and would martin O'Neil really want the job with the shit team we have ? I think O'Neil would be better off going to a big club side.

[Milesian]

Lets hope so, and would martin O'Neil really want the job with the shit team we have ? I think O'Neil would be better off going to a big club side.

I think O'Neill has big ambitions. As a manager, his man management and motivational skills are second to none. He has the ability to take a mediocre side and inspire it to heights they wouldn't have thought imaginable.
When he arrived at Celtic after the Dalgleish fiasco he found a team who were being trounced in European qualifiers by teams whose name nor nationality you could pronounce. A couple of years later he had them beating teams such as Juventus and Barcelona. Given enough resources, he could lead any major team to the top. In that respect, he would be a great prospect for Ireland (albeit the football would be pretty unattractive). Still, I think you are right in that O'Neill has his sights set on football's top trophies & honours.

[The Seamus]

I think the Irish team should have drunk more beer before the game.

[The Chauvinist]

I never knew Kerr was a jock?!:eek

I reckon he'll go anyway, though they might keep him on for another 6 months or so, let him play a few friendlies while they look for a replacement.
The majority of people here would like O'Neill as manager. But I think I am one of the only people who doesn't support Celtic in the country, they're rubbish and they play in a rubbish league, so I don't hold O'Neill in high regard for any medals he won there. He done nothing in the Premiership and never got out of the group stages of the Champions League. He has achieved nothing in football. And I think he's holding out for the Man Yoo job anyway.
My personal choice would be a Dunphy-Giles partnership but that wont happen. I think Joe Kinnear will fancy himself this time round, and he wouldn't be a bad choice.

I couldn't give a damn about Celtic either. Not that i hold anything against "the bhoys", i just don't care.

[Tigernmas]

I couldn't give a damn about Celtic either. Not that i hold anything against "the bhoys", i just don't care.

Same as myself, I'd rather see them win than Rangers. But in the great scheme of things, what does it bloody matter anyway?
No, there's only one team for me, the mighty mighty Portsmouth! :D

[Milesian]

But I think I am one of the only people who doesn't support Celtic in the country,

Really? I see plenty of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and even Leeds tops whenever I'm over there. Rarely ever see a Celtic top though. Most people there I've spoken to have an English first team with Celtic as a second.



they're rubbish

That's pretty subjective. They've beaten just about every big team in their time, not to mention being the first team in Britian to win the European Cup by beating Inter Milan.


and they play in a rubbish league,

That's true. It's almost always a two horse race between the Old Firm (this season being an exception so far). That said, the English league is usually a two or three horse race as well. Outside of Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea, the rest are all mediocre at best and would seriously struggle against either Celtic or Rangers.


so I don't hold O'Neill in high regard for any medals he won there.

What about the UEFA cup runners up medal?
He beat teams such as Celta Vigo, Stuttgart and Liverpool to get there.
Surely that is some achievement? ;)


He done nothing in the Premiership

In English football as a whole but he has taken over lowly teams and promoted them through the divisions season after season. You should take into account that he acheved all that at modest clubs on shoe-string budgets. If he had the same funds to play with as Ferguson or Mourinho, then it could have been a different story.


and never got out of the group stages of the Champions League.

That's true, although I can confirm that bad luck and dodgy officals played their part in that often enough :D


He has achieved nothing in football.

Winning leagues, cups, and getting to a European final is no small measure.
He also bet the following teams off the top of my head (not including non-competitive matches) - Blackburn, Liverpool, Stuttgart, Celta Vigo, Boavista, Valencia, Juventus, Barcelona.

Not too shabby :P

[Tigernmas]

OK OK I admit, he's not all that bad.
But I still think if you want to get anywhere in International football you need a manager with a proven track record at the highest level ie. Champions League. That almost certainly means having Johnny Foreigner as manager, but if you want to win...
O'Neill would make everyone happy, he's the darling of the Irish football fans, but what last night proved is you wont get anywhere in International football by punting long balls up to a big target man. And that's all O'Neill's ever done, Heskey at Leicester and Sutton/Hartson at Celtic. It wont work anymore. We need a manager who knows his tactics, rather than just a bloke in a tracksuit jumping up and down on the touchline. O'Neill's got passion but passion alone isn't enough. Perhaps if he were joint manager with a more tactically astute coach at his side, like Terry Venables and Bryan Robson done at Middlesborough?
Celtic were the first Brit team to win the European cup, but I mean they're rubbish these days, compare them to Chelsea, Juventus(my tip to win the Champions league), AC Milan, Portsmouth etc. etc.
The League Cups he won in England are meaningless really, apart from the last couple of seasons, no 'big' team in England takes it seriously. And he only got a runners up medal in the UEFA cup, I'd be too embaressed to accept a medal for being shitty second. Second place is first last. :P

[Milesian]

OK OK I admit, he's not all that bad.
But I still think if you want to get anywhere in International football you need a manager with a proven track record at the highest level ie. Champions League. That almost certainly means having Johnny Foreigner as manager, but if you want to win...

International managers are usually past their prime and are looking for less stress and a relatively cushy number. Besides, I think O'Neill is a little more ambitious than to plump for a job as an National Team coach, so the chances of getting a someone like Mourinho are less than non-existent :)



O'Neill would make everyone happy, he's the darling of the Irish football fans, but what last night proved is you wont get anywhere in International football by punting long balls up to a big target man. And that's all O'Neill's ever done, Heskey at Leicester and Sutton/Hartson at Celtic.

As I said, it's unattractive football.
Sadly, that also tends to bring a certain amount of success.
Celtic have traditionally been a team that played attractive, flowing, passing, attacking football. They could score goals for fun. The downside was that their defense was as leaky as an incontinent's underpants. Playing entertaining football and scoring 10 goals is little consolation when the other teams puts in 11 against you. Thus Celtic traditionally had skillful, slightly-built, pacey players who could play a bit and leave their opposite numbers standing in a cloud of dust. But when they came up against Rangers who employed hatchet men and semi-human gorillas twice the size, the contest usually went Rangers way as they would simply muscle Celtic off the ball, prevent them getting anywhere near the box, then hit them with a long-ball sucker punch to win the game 1-0.

O'Neill spotted the problem and made a first.
He re-built the team from the back and went for strong, tall, physically imposing players. He also liked tall and strong strikers.
I agree, it was often boring to watch but it also revolutionsed Celtic's fortunes and gave them a level of success and credibility they hadn't had in almost three decades.

You pays your money....


It wont work anymore. We need a manager who knows his tactics, rather than just a bloke in a tracksuit jumping up and down on the touchline. O'Neill's got passion but passion alone isn't enough. Perhaps if he were joint manager with a more tactically astute coach at his side, like Terry Venables and Bryan Robson done at Middlesborough?

I have to agree, O'Neill isn't the most flexible when it comes to tactics.
He prefers the 3-5-2 formation, although in tough games he came to realise the value of the more traditional 4-4-2. Other than that, he doesn't switch it.
Mind you, Venables and Robson may have been around for a while. They hardly inspire terror in other managers though. In fact, Venables always reminds me of a dodgy used-car dealer from d'an the East End, Guv' :D;)



Celtic were the first Brit team to win the European cup, but I mean they're rubbish these days, compare them to Chelsea, Juventus(my tip to win the Champions league), AC Milan,

You're comparing them to the top teams in the world who have money to burn.
By the same token, 98% of English teams are equally rubbish, if not worse.

The difference for the Old Firm is that they simply can't compete in the cash stakes due to television money.
When you understand that Bradford make more from their cut of the TV rights than either Celtic or Rangers do, then you understand why they are both desperate to find a UEFA loophole to get them out of the Scottish league.

Other than that, Celtic have the second largest stadium in the UK (they were first for a while there) and get approx 60,000 at all their home games.
The Stock Market estimates that their global brand has the potential to be more lucrative than Man U's. Again, the hold back is simply playing in an unprofitable league. Sky or Setanta are willing to pay top money to screen a Celtic or Rangers game, but not the rest of the Dundee vs Motherwell or Livingston vs Inverness Caledonian Thistle games :D

All said an done, they would have won the UEFA Cup were they not put out by Mourinho's FC Porto, who then went on to be the European Champions the following year. Even then, Celtic took them to extra time and only let in the winning goal when they got a defender sent off in the dying seconds due to a controversal decision.
So taking the European Champions elect to the wire in a European final is not completely "rubbish" in my book :P



Portsmouth etc. etc.

Never heard of them ;)


The League Cups he won in England are meaningless really, apart from the last couple of seasons, no 'big' team in England takes it seriously.

It's better than a kick in the bollocks though :)
Seriously, everyone calls such cups a "Mickey Mouse" Cup until they actually win it.
No manager would turn his nose up at a trophy, no matter what they say.
It's always better to win the treble than the double, after all.



And he only got a runners up medal in the UEFA cup, I'd be too embaressed to accept a medal for being shitty second. Second place is first last. :P

It's also better than everyone else bar one. Just goes to show how naff the teams they put out before that were,like Blackburn and Liverpool. Must be that shitty, over-rated league they play in ;)

[Tigernmas]

Just goes to show how naff the teams they put out before that were,like Blackburn and Liverpool. Must be that shitty, over-rated league they play in ;)

HaHaHa! I'll give you that one! But hold on a second, you didn't really use the word naff did you?:doh
Alot of what you say is true but then again as a Portsmouth fan I hate Leicester City FC and anyone who's ever been connected to them, such as Marty, so I'll just keep disagreeing:D :na-na :P

[Milesian]

HaHaHa! I'll give you that one! But hold on a second, you didn't really use the word naff did you?:doh

Yup, there's no stigma attached to it out here in the provinces :)


Alot of what you say is true but then again as a Portsmouth fan I hate Leicester City FC and anyone who's ever been connected to them, such as Marty, so I'll just keep disagreeing:D :na-na :P

Ah-ha! Finally the truth!
Fair enough then ;)

[Father Biggles]

So what we're rubbish @ a foreign sport? A sport where the fan is extorted to buy strips at outrageous prices.A sport that worships the imbecile Beckham as one of its greatest heroes.An English sport where - in light of their huge population - even the English aren't that good at...

..you forgot to mention half the England squad is made up of Carribean/African blacks from English inner city slums.

The moment non natives with foreign blood put on an England shirt it ceased to be a real England team.

You are bloody fortunate that PC hasnt infected the Irish team like it has with England.

I support England, but not like i did when i first saw them play in the early nineties as a kid, now i support sides like Denmark.

[The Seamus]

..you forgot to mention half the England squad is made up of Carribean/African blacks from English inner city slums.

The moment non natives with foreign blood put on an England shirt it ceased to be a real England team.

You are bloody fortunate that PC hasnt infected the Irish team like it has with England.

I support England, but not like i did when i first saw them play in the early nineties as a kid, now i support sides like Denmark.

That's exactly how I feel when blacks represent America in the sports, but hey there's still hockey tot he asses entertained!

[Father Biggles]

The difference being America is a nation of immigrants, so blacks have as much right to be there as whites do, and even then theyve only been there for a few hundred years, European whites have lived in England before and after England was born, when the Romans were still in infancy, so theres a slight difference there.

[The Seamus]

The difference being America is a nation of immigrants, so blacks have as much right to be there as whites do, and even then theyve only been there for a few hundred years, European whites have lived in England before and after England was born, when the Romans were still in infancy, so theres a slight difference there.

Sorry but some of our ancestors cut their way west through injuns an British, until they arrived at the Pacific Ocean. Some of our ancestors saved king's lives! Some fought Communism tooth and nail! What did yours do?

[Father Biggles]

What exactly has that got to do with America being a relatively young nation of immigrants and English land being populated by white europeans for ages ?.

Dont put the spotlight on me its got nothing to do with me.

[The Seamus]

What exactly has that got to do with America being a relatively young nation of immigrants and English land being populated by white europeans for ages ?

A relatively young nation based on 5000 year old principles brought by english who were basing it on an inherited herritage from England!


Dont put the spotlight on me its got nothing to do with me.

You answered and I am out of my mind, so be my whippin' boy!