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JSE
10-06-2005, 10:39 AM
Oswald Mosley is someone we should hold in very high regard, not only because he was a great statesman but because he was also a true friend of Ireland (BNP take note).

Here is the text of a BUF pamphlet stating the position which includes a different form of European union than the one being cobbled together at the moment:


Union Movement Policy Pamphlet

IRELAND'S RIGHT TO UNITE
By Patrick McGrath

The division of Ireland is wrong. It should end as soon as possible. It causes hardship to the South because the Six Counties contain industries which are a natural complement to the agriculture of the South. It is bad for Catholics in the North as they are denied full civil rights and social justice by the controlling Protestants.
All southern patriots desire the union of Ireland. The Protestants of the north do not. They are frightened by the prospect of a united Ireland because they fear that the resulting predominantly Catholic government would discriminate unfavorably against them.

How then can the rights of the Protestant minority be guaranteed?

Oswald Mosley offers a suggestion through Union Movement whose policy advocates the union of Europe - "Europe a Nation". This does not mean a great mix-up of the people of Europe; on the contrary it would be wished to preserve the roots and culture of all Europeans.
A European government would guarantee the rights of all minorities in Europe, for even large nations would be minorities of the whole. The union of Europe will solve the problems of the Tyrol and of Gibraltar, of the Flemish in Belgium and of Protestant and Catholic in Ireland.

WHY DO IRISHMEN SUPPORT MOSLEY?
The former Galway M.P. T.P.O'Connor wrote "I regard him as the man who really began the breakup of the Black and Tan savagery, and I can never recall without admiration and wonder the courage and self-sacrifice which such an attitude demanded on his part." T. P. added that Mosley would always be regarded by every good Irishman with appreciation and gratitude.
At the end of the last war another famous Irishman, J.D. O'Connel (County Solicitor of Tralee) wrote to Mosley "I remember with gratitude the noble work then done by your colleagues and your good-self during the reign of terror of the Black and Tans in this country. The people of Kerry, who were the most to suffer appreciate it too and I can assure you that your good name will be remembered here long after those who try to belittle you will be clean forgotten. . . . We in this country have been called nasty names and we have experience of internment camps and so we understand your position, but one thing that can be said for them (the Irish) is that they are always grateful to anyone who ever helped them or said a kind word for them in their hour of need and trouble!'
In denouncing the atrocities, Oswald Mosley did much for Irish independence. Now his fight for European union will bring with it the union of Ireland. This is the way to unite North and South without bloodshed.Europe should unite to preserve Western civilisation. Into that union should be invited Australia, Canada, New Zealand and White Africa. This union would contain all it needed and would be a third force in the world, not dependent on the U.S.A. or afraid of Soviet Russia. Union Movement is neither Capitalist nor Communist, but seeks a third way.

Patrick McGrath.
http://www.oswaldmosley.com/downloads/free_ebooks.htm

Milesian
10-06-2005, 10:48 AM
That is very interesting. I've always been suspicious of right-wing Brits as I tend to associate it with yet more Imperialism. I will look into Mosely more.

JSE
10-06-2005, 11:00 AM
That is very interesting. I've always been suspicious of right-wing Brits as I tend to associate it with yet more Imperialism. I will look into Mosely more.Yes indeed, he seems to be an exception and someone the BNP should study closely.

Milesian
10-06-2005, 11:09 AM
The problem with the BNP starts with the name.
"Britain" and in the UK is a terrible concept. I don't think a nationalist could seriously support Unionism over Englis, Scottish or Welsh Nationalism.

Thus, the term British Nationalist is an oxymoron.
It is just another name for Unionism which can only survive by suppressing the nationalism of it's consituent nations,

The Dagda
10-06-2005, 11:48 AM
I hold Mosley and the BUF in very high regard, but we can see some change in his attitude to Northern Ireland during the Union Movement period.
http://www.oswaldmosley.com/misc_documents/ireland.htm

An tÓglach
10-06-2005, 11:56 AM
Mosley was definitely ahead of his time. Either he or his son (or both) lived in Ireland post WW2 as well I believe.

His son, however, condemned his father's actions and politics.

paul7777
10-06-2005, 12:08 PM
He lived in Galway after the war, but left after the IRA burned his house down.

The Dagda
10-06-2005, 12:30 PM
He lived in Galway after the war, but left after the IRA burned his house down.
The Bishop's Palace in the grounds of Saint Brendan's Cathedral in Clonfert to be precise.
Do you have a link to suggest the IRA burned it down, as far as I'm aware it was an accident.

An tÓglach
10-06-2005, 12:36 PM
He lived in Galway after the war, but left after the IRA burned his house down. I wasn't aware the IRA had anything to do with his departure from Ireland!

paul7777
10-06-2005, 12:48 PM
The Bishop's Palace in the grounds of Saint Brendan's Cathedral in Clonfert to be precise.
Do you have a link to suggest the IRA burned it down, as far as I'm aware it was an accident.

Most articles say 'mysteriously burned down' but was a widespread belief at the time, it was carried out by a local IRA unit. If you ask them on the IRB board they also claim this. Many in the IRA were active anti-fascists who stopped Mosley speaking in Dublin before the war.

Scáthach
10-06-2005, 12:56 PM
That's right, the son did live here, in fact in my Dad's line of work he had the fortune to be invited in for tea and cake :D He said he was an extremely nice man... although, I think the son that lived here was from Diana's previous marriage to Bryan Guinness. Not 100% on that, I'll check it out.
Also, Nicholas Mosley was a writer, nothing exceptional but quite entertaining.
Still, for me, Diana was the most interesting character at times.. An interesting family altogether, the Mitfords, but furthermore a pretty, clever woman who sticks to controversial politics wins me over :D
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39394000/jpg/_39394195_mosleyrally203.jpg

An tÓglach
10-06-2005, 01:05 PM
That's right, the son did live here, in fact in my Dad's line of work he had the fortune to be invited in for tea and cake :D He said he was an extremely nice man... although, I think the son that lived here was from Diana's previous marriage to Bryan Guinness. Not 100% on that, I'll check it out.
Also, Nicholas Mosley was a writer, nothing exceptional but quite entertaining.
Still, for me, Diana was the most interesting character at times.. An interesting family altogether, the Mitfords, but furthermore a pretty, clever woman who sticks to controversial politics wins me over :D
She was definitely a colourful woman and unrepentant as well.

Scáthach
10-06-2005, 01:06 PM
....and far saner than Unity :D

Father Biggles
10-06-2005, 03:53 PM
Mosley married one of Lord Curzon's daughters (guy in my avatar).

paul7777
10-06-2005, 04:16 PM
I've never been a great fan of Mosley, he always comes across as a pompous aristocrat. He also allowed jews in the BUF. And accepted money to use his influence to get wealthy jews out of Germany. But I like the fact that BUF squads used to go up to Soho in the 1930s and smash up jewish spivs. This is why jewish gangsters have always played a part in anti-fascism, from Jack Spot onwards.

Not forgetting that around 800 BUF members died fighting for the allies.I read some where the first British soldier to get killed in France was a BUF member. At its peak the BUF had around 40,000 members, its own football league and drinking clubs etc.It sounded like fun.

An tÓglach
10-06-2005, 04:25 PM
At its peak the BUF had around 40,000 members, its own football league and drinking clubs etc.It sounded like fun. Only in Ingerland!

Father Biggles
10-06-2005, 04:25 PM
he always comes across as a pompous aristocrat.

Whats wrong with that ?.

na Gaeil is gile
10-06-2005, 05:18 PM
His son, however, condemned his father's actions and politics.
Nicholas, his eldest by his first marriage. I’ve read his biography of his father entitled Rules of the Game / Beyond the Pale although I don’t recommend it, despite it’s length it skimps on Mosley’s politics being largely a compendium of cringe inducing personal details and letters.

In Memoir of a Fascist Childhood, A Boy in Mosley's Britain Trevor Grundy describes how Mosley’s (Diana’s) younger sons were temporarily active in the post war Union movement (or at least on it’s fringe).

Scáthach
10-06-2005, 05:23 PM
I was going to ask you about that, Pingu! I figured there could only be one Cimmie Curzon, well, one set of Curzon's! :)

JSE
10-06-2005, 07:31 PM
Whats wrong with that ?.Quite.

The Dagda
10-06-2005, 07:52 PM
An link to some information on Mosley, the BUF,the UM, and other things that may interest some of you.
http://www.canterbury.u-net.com/

Liam Ó Loinsigh
10-03-2006, 01:51 AM
Union Movement is neither Capitalist nor Communist, but seeks a third way.
Hmmm... that sounds familiar :D

Liam Ó Loinsigh
10-03-2006, 01:54 AM
I've never been a great fan of Mosley, he always comes across as a pompous aristocrat.
For those who were suggesting that the BNP take a closer look at Mosley, the official BNP position is here revealed...

Mac Seafraidh
19-08-2008, 11:58 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ctQwI7JutbI